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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 23, 2007 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Sorry Bobby, but Janis has more authentic soul in her voice than you could ever hope to muster. Not saying Bob is bad or has no soul at all, but comparing him to Janis is apples and oranges. Just that Janis' oranges will grab your soul in a vice-like grip and wring tears from it until there is nothing left, whereas Bob's apples will tap you on the shoulder, offer you a kleenex and lend you 5 bucks.

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 23, 2007 6:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

can a soul be unauthentic?

Sing the Blues................

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 23, 2007 6:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

...just don't get caught.


I remember.

Not that soul can be "unauthentic", but some folks seem to have an innate ability to show you what is inside theirs without even seeming to try. Janis was like this. Most folks have to work at it. Bob has to work at it.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2007 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

In all seriousness would you really want to see what most of us have the good sense to hide inside? Realising fully that I may be placing myself in a minority here, I never did get comfortable with Janis's raw woundedness. Always felt like I was being a carcrash gawker, witnessing someone else's pain. Personally I prefer a more subtle revelation of feeling,for instance the heartbreaking pathos that Garcia could bring to Black Peter.

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

u get so far away from how it feels inside

funny - I didn't take u for the superficial one on the board.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

And what exactly was it I said that you found so 'superficial' Ducats?

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

time to move on - I'm a big black+white guy - looking back at your post I should not have used the word - I believe my reaction was if you are keeping it in then what comes out is superficial - probably my bad

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

I think my point was that most people, maybe I include myself in this, feel more comfortable with superficiality, or if you prefer, subtlety. We don't tend to feel too comfortable around people who show too much raw emotion. Just my take on things.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Is this in fact a Cheese Shop?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Once again with the MPFC references! The crowd go wild - they just can't get enough!

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Sorry, I thought to dull the potential abrasive nature the thread was beginning to develop with some puerile English humor. I tend to hide my pain behind laughter.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Chill, man! I was simply seeking clarification (which I got), not picking a fight. Not this time.
:-)

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Too late now. I've been hurt once too often. The barbs have gone deep this time and cannot be removed so easily as before.

Seriously, if I "chilled" anymore, I'd be colder then Congress's reception to Bush at tonight's State of the Union address. I'm guessing most of the rest of the world has got to be lauging their asses of at us by now. I could not be more emabarassed right now. One of my coworkers has family in France, Germany and Poland and it seems that the U.S. is only slightly above crusty pigeon crap on the popularity scale about now.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2007-01-23 15:54:53

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Is it the S of the U tonight? I ought to try and catch that - probably have some bearing on how puppydog Blair disports himself for the next few months...

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Ain't it sad? Never was a huge Reagan fan, but he at least had the ability to command some respect. It's like Lewis Black says: "We are the only country that reminds everyone else, on a daily basis, that we're the greatest country on Earth. If there was a guy at your office, who every day stood up and said 'I'm the greatest fucker here! And you sniveling shits would all die without me! Gahaha!!' I guarantee by the end of the week, you would've killed him...and eaten him, in an attempt to possess his power."

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2007 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

I think we've both of us been far too long without leadership we could respect. Thatcher commanded respect because she was ruthless and efficient, though a bit too machine-like for my tastes. Reagan had the effortlessly populist touch, though I wasn't a big fan either. So what have we had since? The Bush dynasty on your side and the boy Blair, who's kind of like Thatcher without the balls, over here. It's sad that good people can so often wind up with bad leaders. But hey, that's democracy!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 23, 2007 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

I am not even sure I buy the 'look into her soul' presentation for JJ anyhooo...not to take away from the posters above in their artful descriptions of interior pain, etc., but in the many shows I watched of JJ (never live), I viewed her more in a Pig-esque fashion--having a lot of fun as a crude, rude, substance and relationship abusing woman of the 60s....I didn't see much of a hardened in pain kind of soul as much as a fun loving rapper out to shock you...and give you a good time.

Agree about the subtle versions on this theme being better.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Hmm... balls-out good time blues belter mistaken for woman on the edge of a nervous breakdown you feel? And perhaps rightly.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

For true earth-shattering pain nothing could hold a candle to Alfalfa (Little Rascals) belting out "It Hurts Me Too".

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

That's it. Not to say that she didn't have serious 'issues' as we now refer to it, but often she seems to be having too much fun on stage, getting wasted, playing with the boys nearby, etc., etc.

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 23, 2007 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

is there a subtle version?

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 23, 2007 6:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

I don't know - and don't really like/want to go there but I lean towards the innate aspect is that it is in them - nothing to do with the ability to get it out - not being religious brings me to the "what would be the answer to the answer man" part - which is where I don't want to go -

I JUST KNOW I WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2007 6:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Janis v Bobby

Man, I could do with that five bucks about now. Where do I find Bobby?